Flemington Racecards (03/08/2024)
See all Flemington racecards for races this Saturday, 03/08/2024
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R1 - Tab We're On (Bm70)
Resulted
10:20pm
11°C
1410M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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1st 1.Detroit City (6) T: D. Sutton J: B. Egan (60kg) | 63 | 1: 1-0-0 | 1 | $26K | 100% | 100% | 100% | N/A |
![]() 7.Big Brute (5) T: C. Bieg J: J. McNeil (58.5kg) | 60 | 3: 1-0-0 | 187 | $17K | 33% | 33% | 33% | N/A |
![]() 4.Warparty (1) T: S. Nichols J: J. Childs (59.5kg) | 62 | 6: 1-0-0 | 4x4791 | $27K | 17% | 17% | 17% | N/A |
![]() 6.Khabalov (3) T: M. G J: B. Melham (59kg) | 61 | 1: 0-0-0 | 4 | $1.7K | 0% | 0% | 0% | N/A |
![]() 2.Scoundrel (4) T: A. & J: J. Melham (60kg) | 63 | 2: 1-0-1 | 31 | $20K | 50% | 50% | 100% | N/A |
![]() 8.Pieris (2) T: R. Laing J: C. Williams (59kg) | 61 | 4: 1-0-0 | 6x7x91 | $22K | 25% | 25% | 25% | N/A |
![]() 3.Eject (1) T: A. & J: B. Mertens (59.5kg) | 62 | 4: 1-0-0 | 75x15 | $14K | 25% | 25% | 25% | N/A |
![]() 5.Evaporate (3) T: B. Will J: M. Dee (59kg) | 61 | 5: 1-2-0 | 428x21 | $33K | 20% | 60% | 60% | N/A |
![]() 9.Stolen Kiss (4) T: P. Stokes J: Z. Spain (56kg) | 59 | 3: 0-0-0 | 4x44 | $8K | 0% | 0% | 0% | N/A |
Gear Changes
7.Big Brute Blinkers first time6.Khabalov Stallion Chain first time8.Pieris Blinkers first timeR2 - Inside Run Trophy
Resulted
10:55pm
11°C
2530M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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![]() 2.Horrifying (2) T: L. Smith J: B. Shinn (55.5kg) | 94 | 34: 6-5-3 | 88x0x1 | $409K | 18% | 32% | 41% | N/A |
![]() 3.Berkshire Breeze (1) T: C. Maher J: E. Brown (55kg) | 93 | 16: 6-5-2 | 7x2111 | $237K | 38% | 69% | 81% | 7-4 |
![]() 6.Lordship (5) T: M. G J: M. Dee (53kg) | 84 | 17: 6-4-0 | 4551x0 | $465K | 35% | 59% | 59% | 9-2 |
![]() 1.Post Impressionist (3) T: A. & J: D. Lane (60kg) | 103 | 15: 4-2-2 | 91x18x | $249K | 27% | 40% | 53% | 20-1 |
5th 7.Wertheimer (7) T: M. Enright J: T. Bull (53kg) | 79 | 38: 5-2-1 | 15x706 | $202K | 13% | 18% | 21% | N/A |
![]() 5.Mr Waterville (4) T: C. Waller J: B. Mertens (53kg) | 89 | 16: 2-4-3 | 042x08 | $411K | 13% | 38% | 56% | N/A |
![]() 4.Speycaster (6) T: C. Waller J: J. McNeil (54kg) | 86 | 21: 6-1-2 | 110715 | $238K | 29% | 33% | 43% | N/A |
Gear Changes
1.Post Impressionist Lugging Bit off first time, Tongue Tie againR3 - Donate To Rda Australia (Bm84)
Resulted
11:30pm
11°C
1410M
Turf
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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![]() 6.Street Delight (6) T: P. Stokes J: D. Stackhouse (55kg) | 73 | 24: 4-4-1 | 10x151 | $146K | 17% | 33% | 38% | N/A |
![]() 1.Alpine Flyer (2) T: M. Hickmott J: T. Prebble (58kg) | 79 | 19: 6-2-2 | 4x153x | $132K | 32% | 42% | 53% | N/A |
![]() 2.Belle Et Riche (5) T: M. Freedman J: C. Gaudray (57.5kg) | 78 | 23: 3-7-2 | 669547 | $241K | 13% | 43% | 52% | N/A |
![]() 8.Divine Purpose (8) T: P. & J: J. McNeil (54kg) | 70 | 16: 4-2-4 | 3430x8 | $116K | 25% | 38% | 63% | N/A |
![]() 5.Ithadtobezou (3) T: D. O'Brien J: M. Dee (55kg) | 73 | 15: 3-4-0 | 76x221 | $101K | 20% | 47% | 47% | N/A |
![]() 3.Cindy Falls (1) T: L. & J: B. Shinn (57.5kg) | 78 | 15: 4-1-3 | x13314 | $108K | 27% | 33% | 53% | N/A |
![]() 4.In Her Stride (4) T: J. Salanitri J: E. Brown (56kg) | 75 | 24: 5-4-3 | 113924 | $137K | 21% | 38% | 50% | N/A |
![]() 7.Justdoit (7) T: L. Oliver J: C. Williams (54.5kg) | 72 | 16: 4-4-1 | x12291 | $91K | 25% | 50% | 56% | N/A |
![]() 9.Fiasco Tess (9) T: D. & J: B. Mertens (54kg) | 70 | 34: 5-5-5 | 741424 | $118K | 15% | 29% | 44% | N/A |
R4 - Jockeys Celebration Day Sprint (Bm84)
Resulted
12:05am
11°C
1100M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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![]() 2.Maotai (8) T: P. & J: L. Nolen (60kg) | 84 | 21: 4-4-0 | x9879x | $282K | 19% | 38% | 38% | N/A |
![]() 7.Shove Over (9) T: J. Moloney J: S. Clarke (57kg) | 78 | 26: 7-1-1 | 61919x | $161K | 27% | 31% | 35% | N/A |
3rd 6.Fortunate Kiss (7) T: L. & J: Z. Spain (57.5kg) | 83 | 27: 4-3-3 | 41330x | $238K | 15% | 26% | 37% | N/A |
![]() 3.Midtown Boss (5) T: M. Laurie J: D. Stackhouse (59.5kg) | 83 | 12: 4-5-1 | 22215x | $186K | 33% | 75% | 83% | N/A |
![]() 5.Prowling (2) T: G. Eurell J: B. Melham (58kg) | 80 | 22: 4-5-4 | 2x467x | $186K | 18% | 41% | 59% | N/A |
![]() 9.Classy Kenny (6) T: J. & J: C. Newitt (55kg) | 74 | 47: 6-7-10 | 106135 | $208K | 13% | 28% | 49% | N/A |
![]() 8.Little Miss Kubi (1) T: C. I J: B. Shinn (56.5kg) | 81 | 19: 4-4-1 | x52106 | $157K | 21% | 42% | 47% | N/A |
8th 1.Veloce Carro (3) T: C. Maher J: C. Gaudray (60.5kg) | 85 | 16: 5-3-2 | 5x1127 | $169K | 31% | 50% | 63% | N/A |
![]() 10.The Big Shamrock (4) T: H. Maclean J: D. Bates (54kg) | 62 | 12: 2-4-2 | 923321 | $37K | 17% | 50% | 67% | N/A |
![]() 4.Home Rule (3) T: M. Raymond J: J. Allen (58kg) | 80 | 26: 6-5-5 | x93282 | $175K | 23% | 42% | 62% | N/A |
Gear Changes
2.Maotai Lugging Bit first time, Nose Roll first time6.Fortunate Kiss Blinkers off again3.Midtown Boss Winkers off first timeR5 - Vrc Season Premiere Race Day Plate (Bm84)
Resulted
12:40am
11°C
1620M
Turf
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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1st 3.Rise At Dawn (9) T: B. Will J: D. Stackhouse (57.5kg) | 79 | 9: 4-2-0 | 100122 | $144K | 44% | 67% | 67% | N/A |
![]() 1.Miracle Spin (7) T: M. Smith J: B. Shinn (58kg) | 80 | 22: 4-5-3 | 367483 | $231K | 18% | 41% | 55% | N/A |
3rd 11.Step Aside (8) T: C. Waller J: J. Melham (54.5kg) | 73 | 14: 3-5-1 | 235x75 | $119K | 21% | 57% | 64% | N/A |
![]() 6.Le Zebra (6) T: E. & J: D. Lane (56.5kg) | 77 | 10: 3-0-1 | 0x8041 | $190K | 30% | 30% | 40% | N/A |
5th 5.Georgie Get Mad (5) T: D. Pagan J: T. Prebble (56.5kg) | 77 | 27: 5-4-4 | 241457 | $158K | 19% | 33% | 48% | N/A |
![]() 7.Place Of Gold (3) T: C. I J: J. Noonan (56.5kg) | 77 | 19: 4-5-2 | 31x008 | $177K | 21% | 47% | 58% | N/A |
![]() 4.Watadeel (2) T: A. & J: J. Mott (57kg) | 78 | 18: 4-2-1 | 3x5887 | $183K | 22% | 33% | 39% | N/A |
![]() 9.Gentian Blue (4) T: M. Van J: M. Dee (55kg) | 78 | 8: 2-0-1 | 1155x3 | $48K | 25% | 25% | 38% | N/A |
![]() 8.Frumos (1) T: B. Will J: L. Currie (56kg) | 80 | 21: 5-1-0 | 9x0774 | $260K | 24% | 29% | 29% | N/A |
2.Cawdor (8) T: T. & J: J. Childs (57.5kg) | 79 | 9: 2-2-2 | 63x001 | $73K | 22% | 44% | 67% | 5-1 |
![]() 10.Nails Murphy (9) T: C. Maher J: J. McNeil (54.5kg) | 73 | 12: 3-1-5 | 4x3043 | $64K | 25% | 33% | 75% | 8-1 |
Gear Changes
9.Gentian Blue Bandages (Hind) first timeR6 - Aurie's Star Hcp
Resulted
01:15am
11°C
1200M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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![]() 8.Right To Party (8) T: A. & J: J. McNeil (54kg) | 86 | 11: 3-2-3 | 53x211 | $207K | 27% | 45% | 73% | N/A |
![]() 1.Zarastro (4) T: T. Gollan J: J. Melham (58kg) | 102 | 22: 8-3-0 | x88461 | $443K | 36% | 50% | 50% | N/A |
![]() 2.It'sourtime (7) T: D. O'Brien J: D. Lane (57.5kg) | 101 | 32: 6-10-5 | 002021 | $617K | 19% | 50% | 66% | N/A |
![]() 3.The Astrologist (5) T: L. & J: B. Shinn (57.5kg) | 101 | 46: 8-6-9 | 7398x4 | $1.9M | 17% | 30% | 50% | 33-1 |
![]() 4.Nicolini Vito (6) T: B. Will J: L. Currie (56kg) | 98 | 34: 8-6-4 | x26212 | $488K | 24% | 41% | 53% | N/A |
![]() 5.Rocketing By (3) T: D. Pfieffer J: M. Dee (56kg) | 98 | 37: 5-2-4 | x87092 | $1.8M | 14% | 19% | 30% | N/A |
![]() 6.Crosshaven (1) T: B. Will J: D. Stackhouse (54.5kg) | 95 | 45: 7-7-3 | 085512 | $761K | 16% | 31% | 38% | N/A |
8th 7.La Danseuse Rouge (2) T: C. I J: C. Hefel (54kg) | 96 | 14: 3-2-3 | 36x51x | $213K | 21% | 36% | 57% | N/A |
Gear Changes
7.La Danseuse Rouge Stallion Chain off first timeR7 - Vrc Spring Gala Plate (Bm78)
Resulted
01:55am
11°C
2000M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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![]() 11.Star Vega (10) T: A. & J: B. Shinn (55.5kg) | 69 | 15: 3-3-1 | 3x8762 | $85K | 20% | 40% | 47% | N/A |
![]() 10.Rise To It (9) T: C. Maher J: J. Melham (55.5kg) | 69 | 13: 4-1-0 | 11x506 | $129K | 31% | 38% | 38% | N/A |
![]() 13.My Brothers Keeper (2) T: S. Brown J: J. McNeil (54kg) | 66 | 22: 2-2-4 | 3x4282 | $98K | 9% | 18% | 36% | N/A |
![]() 14.Tajanis (1) T: C. Waller J: C. Williams (54kg) | 66 | 6: 1-1-2 | 3231x0 | $41K | 17% | 33% | 67% | 4-1 |
5th 8.St Vincents Garden (6) T: A. & J: D. Lane (56kg) | 70 | 8: 1-1-3 | x330x2 | $40K | 13% | 25% | 63% | 16-1 |
![]() 7.First Mate (7) T: K. Vella J: D. Bates (57kg) | 72 | 28: 5-2-3 | x76367 | $118K | 18% | 25% | 36% | N/A |
![]() 3.Lauding (5) T: C. Maher J: B. Melham (59.5kg) | 77 | 12: 3-4-1 | 2113x0 | $115K | 25% | 58% | 67% | N/A |
![]() 9.Rebadge (12) T: D. Sutton J: D. Stackhouse (55.5kg) | 69 | 19: 2-4-2 | x78053 | $86K | 11% | 32% | 42% | N/A |
![]() 4.Think 'N' Fly (3) T: D. Noonan J: T. Prebble (59.5kg) | 77 | 45: 7-6-5 | 102077 | $284K | 16% | 29% | 40% | N/A |
10th 1.British Columbia (4) T: G. Begg J: R. Houston (62kg) | 82 | 20: 5-5-2 | 02x091 | $225K | 25% | 50% | 60% | N/A |
![]() 6.Vegas Knight (8) T: N. Ryan J: J. Mott (57.5kg) | 73 | 48: 4-7-7 | 000270 | $290K | 8% | 23% | 38% | N/A |
![]() 12.Jayzeal (11) T: C. Davis J: C. Newitt (55kg) | 50 | 36: 2-6-3 | 448283 | $60K | 6% | 22% | 31% | N/A |
2.Desperado (3) T: C. Maher | 81 | 19: 5-4-0 | 122714 | $167K | 26% | 47% | 47% | N/A |
![]() 15.Matusalem (6) T: C. Waller J: M. Dee (53.5kg) | 65 | 12: 2-2-1 | 42x065 | $91K | 17% | 33% | 42% | N/A |
![]() 5.Unanimous (9) T: C. Maher J: M. Zahra (59.5kg) | 77 | 34: 5-3-4 | 7x0543 | $259K | 15% | 24% | 35% | N/A |
Gear Changes
14.Tajanis Tongue Tie first time6.Vegas Knight Blinkers first timeR8 - Flemington Kentucky Bluegrass (Bm100)
Resulted
02:30am
11°C
1410M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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1st 1.Gentleman Roy (1) T: B. Will J: C. Gaudray (62kg) | 104 | 25: 9-4-1 | 00x791 | $674K | 36% | 52% | 56% | N/A |
![]() 6.Devoted (10) T: B. Will J: J. McNeil (54.5kg) | 89 | 18: 5-1-3 | x0869x | $300K | 28% | 33% | 50% | N/A |
![]() 7.St Lawrence (4) T: C. Maher J: J. Melham (54.5kg) | 89 | 15: 6-1-3 | 0x3423 | $244K | 40% | 47% | 67% | N/A |
4th 4.Rheinberg (7) T: B. Will J: M. Dee (56kg) | 92 | 17: 6-5-3 | 062312 | $252K | 35% | 65% | 82% | N/A |
![]() 10.Green Fly (5) T: A. & J: C. Williams (53kg) | 86 | 24: 4-4-3 | 312634 | $203K | 17% | 33% | 46% | N/A |
![]() 2.Holymanz (8) T: C. Maher J: M. Zahra (59kg) | 98 | 15: 4-4-0 | 51428x | $376K | 27% | 53% | 53% | N/A |
![]() 3.Astero (2) T: M. Smith J: B. Shinn (56kg) | 92 | 39: 8-8-5 | 283681 | $420K | 21% | 41% | 54% | N/A |
8th 5.Windstorm (9) T: G. Bedggood J: E. Brown (56kg) | 92 | 18: 7-4-0 | 6x2726 | $343K | 39% | 61% | 61% | N/A |
9th 9.Sir Davy (6) T: D. McCarthy J: D. Bates (54.5kg) | 87 | 26: 7-4-2 | 0100x6 | $285K | 27% | 42% | 50% | N/A |
![]() 8.Shopping Esprit (3) T: C. Waller J: C. Hefel (53.5kg) | 87 | 22: 8-4-1 | x7325x | $161K | 36% | 55% | 59% | N/A |
11.He's Our Bonneval (9) T: T. & J: C. Newitt (53kg) | 85 | 30: 5-7-5 | 715432 | $342K | 17% | 40% | 57% | N/A |
Gear Changes
6.Devoted Bubble Cheeker (Near Side) off first time, Lugging Bit again, Tongue Tie off first time10.Green Fly Blinkers again5.Windstorm Winkers againR9 - Victorian Jockeys' Association Sprint (Bm74)
Resulted
03:02am
11°C
1200M
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Horse (Barrier No) | Rating The official handicap rating for the horse. | Career The career record for the horse. Total starts: Wins, top two finishes, top three finishes. | Last 6 Results Finishing position for the horse’s last six races. | Prize Money Total prizemoney won by the horse. | Win The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has won. | Top 2 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first two place getters. | Top 3 The percentage of races that a horse has run in, that it has finished in the first three place getters. | Odds |
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1st 13.Shaime (6) T: C. I J: E. Brown (56kg) | 70 | 11: 2-5-1 | 224x17 | $94K | 18% | 64% | 73% | N/A |
2nd 8.Kiko (8) T: J. Conlan J: B. Shinn (57.5kg) | 73 | 19: 3-5-3 | 4x1221 | $113K | 16% | 42% | 58% | N/A |
![]() 10.Zoupurring (7) T: L. & J: J. McNeil (57kg) | 68 | 13: 3-2-2 | 816x61 | $70K | 23% | 38% | 54% | N/A |
![]() 3.Pioneer River (5) T: C. Maher J: C. Gaudray (60kg) | 74 | 40: 4-6-9 | 5x6270 | $330K | 10% | 25% | 48% | N/A |
![]() 4.Fission (11) T: R. & J: M. Zahra (59kg) | 72 | 16: 3-2-4 | x33x34 | $236K | 19% | 31% | 56% | N/A |
6th 9.Dazzling Lucy (13) T: T. Noonan J: J. Noonan (57kg) | 72 | 22: 3-4-3 | 5x4436 | $174K | 14% | 32% | 45% | N/A |
![]() 6.Ghetto Supastar (12) T: M. Shepherdson J: Z. Spain (58kg) | 70 | 20: 4-1-3 | 89130x | $99K | 20% | 25% | 40% | N/A |
![]() 2.Bews (4) T: M. G J: T. Prebble (60kg) | 74 | 14: 3-4-0 | 8x2652 | $91K | 21% | 50% | 50% | N/A |
![]() 15.Sportsbeat (9) T: M. Shepherdson J: D. Bates (54.5kg) | 63 | 18: 2-3-3 | 8x4103 | $63K | 11% | 28% | 44% | N/A |
![]() 5.Heuristic (1) T: J. Cummings J: J. Melham (58.5kg) | 71 | 11: 2-3-2 | 1x4702 | $117K | 18% | 45% | 64% | N/A |
![]() 7.Chester Warrior (3) T: B. Will J: B. McDougall (57.5kg) | 69 | 14: 3-1-2 | 2106x5 | $77K | 21% | 29% | 43% | N/A |
![]() 1.Yulong Storm (2) T: N. Hobson J: R. Houston (61kg) | 76 | 46: 8-4-6 | 006007 | $240K | 17% | 26% | 39% | N/A |
13th 12.Veecee (10) T: C. Maher J: C. Williams (56.5kg) | 67 | 8: 1-1-1 | x309x7 | $130K | 13% | 25% | 38% | N/A |
![]() 14.Attain (2) T: R. Laing J: M. Dee (54.5kg) | 63 | 8: 1-2-1 | 20310x | $63K | 13% | 38% | 50% | N/A |
![]() 11.Holly Lolly (4) T: C. McDonald J: B. Melham (56.5kg) | 71 | 20: 3-3-3 | 0x5072 | $178K | 15% | 30% | 45% | N/A |
Gear Changes
9.Dazzling Lucy Tongue Tie off first time, Visors off first time, Winkers again